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   Comment by Captain Cab on 16 September 2008:

   I’ve seen charts like this before and treat them with contempt, unfortunately this one ain’t any different.

   The shift a driver chooses plays more a part in takings than the number of hours worked.

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   Comment by Sam Harrington on 17 September 2008:

   Your talking nonsense Captain Cab, the chart shows an hourly rate of £10 and £15 it was in response to a posting by IS claiming that you can earn a good living working dayshift at his office. If you want a copy of the spreadsheet let me know, you can easily enter your own relevant figures.

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   Comment by Captain Cab on 17 September 2008:

   I could cherrypick 24 good hours and make far more than a person who chooses to work 40.

   regards

   CC

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   Comment by Sam Harrington on 18 September 2008:

   Yes of course you could cherrypick your hours Captain Cab, but in my authority (North Tyneside) the cherrypicking hours are few and far between and of course it means working unsocial hours. It is hard to “cherrypick”, as you put it, when you are only getting one job per hour on a friday night, its down to luck these days mate, if its a good job you do ok, if its not you have a bad night. Thankfully, Saturday nights are still ok, especially at the months end.

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   Comment by tc on 18 September 2008:

   its funny that one of the arguments put forward by berwick councils barrister, was that berwick`s lisencing policy was no different to other councils , Mmm! well if that’s the case how many wheelchair accessible taxi`s have they in their fleet ? or that’s right they must be immune to this act ??

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   Comment by paul on 18 September 2008:

   High court Decision will be announced in 3-7 days. My guess is that Newcastle will win, but that there will be a period of 12 months from the judgement for all plateholders working out of their borough to get back to their own borough.
   Thats my guess anyway!

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   Comment by Captain Cab on 18 September 2008:

   “Yes of course you could cherrypick your hours Captain Cab, but in my authority (North Tyneside) the cherrypicking hours are few and far between and of course it means working unsocial hours. It is hard to “cherrypick”, as you put it, when you are only getting one job per hour on a friday night, its down to luck these days mate, if its a good job you do ok, if its not you have a bad night. Thankfully, Saturday nights are still ok, especially at the months end.”

   Yeah times are tough, but doesnt that make the chart even harder to assess?…..40 hours in December are better than 40 hours in May?

   CC

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   Comment by JudgeDredd on 18 September 2008:

   paul ,,, how do you get that the judge will annouce his decision within 3-7 days? i’m not having a dig mate, is that the usual time?

   to me it seems the answer is simple as already said, a hack cannot work private hire in another borough, but should be able to do so in it’s own.

   If you drive a Newcastle Hackney Carridge and wish to work for PH in NT then go and get a NT PH plate. The majority of your work would be PH, and not as a hackney anyway as you are not going to pay for the office rent and not work it!

   If the judge says that it is to as above and not as berwick interprit it, then why not remove these cowboys from the point of the judges decission?

   I mean what if there are people who are deemed not fit and proper persons or with no knowledge driving round for 12 month after the judges decission?

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   Comment by paul on 19 September 2008:

   the reason for the 12 months would be to give time for all ‘out of town hacks’ to get plated in their own areas. Remember we are not just talking about berwick plates here, there are also other anomalies throughout the country which are not as clear but as the berwick one. It will take time to get everything back to their own district, the 12 months obviously meaning that someone who has just plated their vehicle and themselves to adjust. The judge will take all of this into consideration as their may be some innocent victims otherwise. Anyway, just my thoughts and opinions. We will find out soon enough.

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    Comment by JudgeDredd on 19 September 2008:

    innocent victims?

    the innocent victims are the guys who legally ply there trade in the area of there borough. people who work in areas such as newcastle, NT and gateshead are the innocent victims. Not some guy who has failed a CRB check at Newcastle so goes to berwick to get a plate so he can flout the law.

    My understanding on restriction of trade would be simple, you have a Berwick plate, your trade is 60 miles north up the A1, bye.

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    Comment by Jud on 19 September 2008:

    why not? Surely the innocent victims in all this are the people who ply there hire from the correct borough. Not the people who were refused or unable to get a badge in one area so they travel 60 miles north just to flout the laws?

    they are not being refused work, there work is in berwick!

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    Comment by thelighthousekeeper on 19 September 2008:

    This may sound strange, but why do we not just wait for the judge to state his findings instead of guessing!

    After all, if someone set-up as a market trader selling say hot food without all the required licences, and lets just say beside another hot food shop with all the proper licences paying Rent and Business Rates etc, then we all know the Licensing Department and the Food and Hygene Regulations would close the market trader down instantly when a complaint was made by the Shop Proprietor, as the market trader would be ILLEGAL and a risk under HEALTH AND SAFETY to the general public would they not?

    This brings me on to another point, why do so many Taxi Drivers & Private Hire Drivers think they are SPECIAL CASES and always having exemptions to the LAW, meaning they must have the time left on the Licence to comply and get a New PRIVATE HIRE Licence within say 12 months, as some people on here are saying?

    GET REAL,
    IF YOUR VEHICLE IS LICENSED TODAY TO “PLY FOR HIRE” IN THE “CONTROLLED DISTRICT” OF BERWICK,(OR WHAT EVER OTHER BOROUGH) THEN GO BACK TO BERWICK UNTIL YOUR “PLYING FOR HIRE” LICENCE EXPIRES AND WORK IN BERWICK FOR THAT TIME PERIOD.
    IT IS NOT THE JUDGES PROBLEM, IF YOU SPEND ALL YOUR TAKING ON FUEL TO GET YOU TO BERWICK, JUST BECAUSE YOU DID NOT THINK ABOUT THE COST OF FUEL SHOULD THE DECISION OF THE JUDGE GO AGAINST YOU, AS YOU SHOULD BE “PLYING FOR HIRE” IN YOUR OWN CONTROLLED DISTRICT COULD WELL BE HIS FINAL DECISION.
    YOUR LICENCE THEREFORE WILL STILL ALLOW YOU TO “PLY FOR HIRE” FOR THE PERIOD OF TIME LEFT ON YOUR LICENCE IN THAT BOROUGH ONLY!!!!!

    HOPE THIS RAISED A SMILE, FOR ALL THAT READ THIS DEBATING POINT ABOUT WHAT COULD BE THE FINAL OUTCOME?

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    Comment by ian shanks on 19 September 2008:

    what ever the outcome your above statements referring to these hackneys going back to to prescribed area 60 miles north to ply for hire is not what the problem is !!

    the problem is not with the vehicle as i have already said as the majority of the drivers are existing Newcastle and North Tyneside drivers who will flout the law and “FLIMP” no matter what car or plate they happen to be sitting in.

    so get off your high horse as the Berwick plates are a bit of a red herring, this is all down to the need for proper and plentiful enforcement ! as the drivers will still be on the streets on tyneside, just dressed in another type of vehicle.

    the case is likely to bring more problems in that the Judge is likely to go for the decision of Working only in your prescribed district !!

    now if that’s only as a hackney that blows out the water anyone one working radio circuits or mobile phones, or any pre bookings !!

    if its in your prescribed district for hackney work and private hire work !! you can only conduct a radio or pre booking of any sort if your vehicle is within the prescribed area when it receives it,

    OH BOY and that’s not what any of use want surly ? but from the feed back from barristers these are now showing as favorites, if the judge does not think of the circumstances properly

    but i agree with Mr Walls lets calm ourselves down until the outcome is heard !

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    Comment by SC on 20 September 2008:

    JudgeDredd you dont have a clue what your talking about, Berwick council do the same CRB check that Newcastle, North Tyneside, Gateshead and every other council have to do by law.

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    Comment by Captain Cab on 20 September 2008:

    “Comment by thelighthousekeeper on 19 September 2008:

    This may sound strange, but why do we not just wait for the judge to state his findings instead of guessing!”

    Where’s the fun in that?

    CC

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    Comment by jimmy on 20 September 2008:

    Newcastle & North Tyneside do a full enhanced CRB check. Berwick do not that’s why a Polish or Iranian, just arrived in the country can get a badge at berwick and not here.

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    Comment by Captain Cab on 20 September 2008:

    “Comment by ian shanks on 19 September 2008:

    if its in your prescribed district for hackney work and private hire work !! you can only conduct a radio or pre booking of any sort if your vehicle is within the prescribed area when it receives it, ”

    As per DPP v Computer Cab Co Ltd 07 November 1994 [1996] R.T.R. 130; [1995] C.O.D. 361 ?

    Held, dismissing the appeal, that (1) hiring was a matter of agreement between the customer and the driver. Whether or not hiring took place in an area where drivers were not licensed depended on what remained to be agreed between driver and customer in that area. Once terms had been agreed, the driver ceased to ply for hire, considering himself hired and contractually bound to pick up the customer, and (2) where nothing remained to be agreed then it was clear that hiring had taken place in the area where drivers were licensed. The allegations must therefore fail.

    CC

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    Comment by ian shanks on 20 September 2008:

    captain cab !

    the law is beyond me, i can only tell you what i heard while i was there and what is being talked about with barristers since, all the case law’s above were talked about and for example the judge did say at the end of day two to ALL three barristers that they needed to go away and think why he should not judge that the “GLADDEN” case was wrongly decided ??. it seemed to me as a layman that he was prepared to go against previous judgements !!!! but i think for all our peace of minds we simply need to wait for him to make his decision and see where it leads us next.

    it was also mentioned by all three barristers that this court was not the place for this to be resolved !! meaning its parliament that needs to address it !!

    it was also said by Newcastle’s barrister that if Berwick were to choose to use its KILLER punch that they had no case to be heard!! Berwick choose not use this killer punch as they wanted the clarification of the law made !! i only wish i knew what that killer issue was.

    so all these things went on and as already said its a buggers muddle, but which every way the judge rules it may bring further problems. Sorry buts thats how it was !!!

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    Comment by paul on 20 September 2008:

    By innocent I mean that there are lots of areas that are f’far flung’ within a district and on the border with other areas. I know a few of these areas where cars may be licensed ‘next door’ for other reasons other than flimping etc; A lot of Greenside cars are Tynedale registered; technically Greenside is in gateshead, just, although a lot of their work is in Tynedale. I wasn’t showing sympathy for the ‘bandits!’

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    Comment by Stephen (FKA Central Enth.) on 20 September 2008:

    Dear All!
    First of all I am not being a hypocrite or backing down from my previous comments, but the CRB has been mentioned, as some of you well know I have a Berwick Badge as well, when I renewed it they CRB checked me (Enhanced), this is annually at Berwick don’t forget, so I don’t know where people get the idea from that Bandits are not Police checked!.
    The Facts are:
    Berwick are more relaxed on any previous convictions, cautions etc.
    When I got my first NT Badge, I got a warning due to a previous driving offence that resulted in 6 points, it was just under the three year rule at NT council so they issued me a warning!
    Berwick on the other hand did not, they look more at convictions related to GBH, Serious theft and anything Sexual, they do tend to over look driving offences, this is a problem in some cases, last year NT Council prosecuted a driver for having a out of date Badge by 5-6 months, in turn had invalid insurance, so guess what????
    The driver is now a Berwick Bandit!!!!, and working at the same firm where he was caught at! (NOT CENTRAL, BLUELINE OR EASTCOAST BY THE WAY).
    So Berwick DO CRB checks, but simply overlook certain convictions, in which is not fair to us all, as on one scenario NT took a Driver off the streets and Berwick allowed him back on!
    Regards
    Stephen
    The Central Enthusiast!
    And to Mr Shanks…..Stephen Arthur Car 75 @ Central!

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    Comment by Slimfella on 20 September 2008:

    There’s one thing that i’ve noticed while reading these posts, no one seems to be putting any blame onto the office owners who are taking on these berwick plated vehicles and these none national’s who haven’t got a clue where anything is and most of them have very limited english, i’m sick and tired of people complaining to me about these none national’s, and how they have been ripped off etc, office owners just stick a sat nav in front of them and send them out to work, anyone with any sense know’s that half of the job is knowing where buildings are situated due to the customer not knowing the names of the streets. I myself put it down to pure greed by the office owners, these are the very people who should be giving the local plated drivers there support by not taking on these berwick plates etc, it just shows what these office owners really think of us lads and lasses who follow the rules and work for our own councils.

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    Comment by JD on 20 September 2008:

    SC, it is you who does not know what he is talking about, I know of one guy who could not get a newcastle or NT badge due to an offence where he spent several months in prison. Guess what, he now has a berwick badge and plate, although it took him a while to get it. His conviction is still not spent.

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    Comment by thelighthousekeeper on 20 September 2008:

    I COULD NOT HELP NOTICE REFERENCE TO THE “BRENTWOOD VERSES GLADEN CASE”?

    THE FACTS OF THAT CASE WERE SIMPLE AND STRAIGHT FORWARD.

    MR GLADEN OWNED A BRENTWOOD HACKNEY CARRIAGE.

    MR GLADEN TOOK BOOKINGS FROM AN ADDRESS IN BRENTWOOD ON A BRENTWOOD TELEPHONE NUMBER FOR BRENTWOOD HACKNEY CARRIAGES ONLY.

    MR GLADEN ONLY EVER SENT BRENTWOOD HACKNEY CARRIAGES TO HIS BRENTWOOD BOOKINGS.

    ALL THESE FACTS MEANT MR GLADEN WAS PROPERLY LICENSED IN BRENTWOOD AND DID NOT USE OUT OF TOWN HACKNEY CARRIAGES IN HIS BRENTWOOD OPERATION FOR PRE-BOOKED BRENTWOOD HACKNEY CARRIAGE WORK ONLY.

    MR GLADEN DID NOT OPERATE ANY PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLES AT ALL, AND THAT WAS THE UNDERLINING REASON THAT MR GLADEN FOR HIS HACKNEY CARRIAGE OPERATION OF PRE-BOOKED HACKNEY CARRIAGES DID NOT REQUIRE A SECTION 55 PRIVATE HIRE OPERATOR LICENCE.

    DRIVERS ON HERE MAY NOT BE AWARE OF THESE FACTS, AND WHEN THE ACTUAL MINUTES OF THE COURT CASE STATED THESE FACTS THEN IT IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE JUDGE IN THAT CASE DECIDED THAT MR GLADEN WAS RIGHT IN HIS ACTIONS, AS THE COUNCIL BYELAWS ALLOW A HACKNEY CARRIAGE TAXI TO ACCEPT PRE-BOOKINGS IN ADVANCE FOR HACKNEY CARRIAGE TAXIS WITHOUT THE NEED FOR A SECTION 55 PRIVATE HIRE OPERATORS PROPRIETOR LICENCE, AS MR GLADEN HAD NO INTENSION OF SENDING A SECTION 48 PRIVATE HIRE VEHICLE LICENSED BY BRENTWOOD COUNCIL.

    EVERY VEHICLE IN THE “MR GLADEN CASE” WAS LICENSED BY BRENTWOOD BOROUGH COUNCIL, IT SHOULD BE REMEMBERED, AND NOT LICENSED BY OTHER COUNCILS!

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    Comment by Sam Harrington on 21 September 2008:

    FFS, CAN YOU LOT POST YOUR COMMENTS IN THE RIGHT PLACE !!!!!
    THIS TOPIC IS…. Spreadsheet: Takings Figures

    sorry to be a whinge, but i keep getting emails saying someone has replied etc.

    

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    Comment by tc on 21 September 2008:

    Slimfella i think if you read one of my earlier posts i mentioned that if any one thinks that the berwick licencing of plates and badges was started for a easy back door route & a cheaper fee`s to P/H work they where sadly mistaken it was because a certain 2 operaters wanted cheap labour to replace the currant drivers ? there trusty side kick even tried to say we’re bigots because people questioned why they wanted drivers who couldn’t qualify for town badges or N/tyneside badges ,i remember the lighthouse keeper asking one berwick bandit to produce his figures because he said it was cheaper to license in berwick, guess what the berwick bandit went quiet, if this court case is resolved in newcastles favour .then MY opinion there should be an inquiry how it was allowed to happen & to whom started it after all there`s tax payers money involved in a very expensive court case ,maybe even a police investigation as well……….

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    Comment by big boots on 21 September 2008:

    did you or your mate bob sneddon ask for an enquiry or a police investigation when north tyneside council went against their own unmet demand survey and issued all those extra plates?in fact you and sneddon didnt even challenge their deciscion or take legal advice!!thats what killed off the hack trade not the berwick plates

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    Comment by Stephen (FKA Central Enth.) on 21 September 2008:

    Big Boots!
    You are right their, the Berwick plates did,nt kill off the Hack trade…they killed the WHOLE TRADE OFF!!!!!!!….the streets are littered with them.

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    Comment by tc on 22 September 2008:

    funny enough big boots at the time of the doblo escalation there was an inquiry, an independant one at that after wards, so do your home work,and as the admin will prob know who you are it`ll agree this toomany taxi`s site isn’t meant for what did and didnt happen in the past,but is trying to pull drivers together or at least make them aware of the very people who’re destroying what little is left of it,& we all know who they are !!

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    Comment by SC on 22 September 2008:

    JD. read what I said, I stated Berwick Have to do a full enhanced CRB check as is required by law for anybody who may be in contact with vulnerable adults or children as part of the child protection provisions in Part II of the CJCSA 2000

    Each council is then free to set its own guide line as to who they Licence.

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